The ISNA is generally not approving of those with intersex conditions who were assigned or reassigned as male at birth. This is also reflected in other intersex support groups, like AISSG which focuses almost solely on those declared legally female at birth. This is what their mission statement says, and what I heard them doing. Their information on male-assigned is sorely lacking and I’ve only found very few bits of information about it elsewhere, for AIS.

“So he’s just a complete idiot? I mean, it sounds like everything he knows about trans people he made up himself, inspired by bits and pieces picked up from the media.”

Well yeah, more or less. He made a lot of it up by regarding ISNA’s policy, and ENDA. He joined in the HBS debate a couple months back with absolutely no knowledge what HBS was. I bet he thought it was an intersex condition that teh evil tranz were appropriating, and he defended the HBS folks…go figure.

He doesn’t claim to have been hurt about being intersex. He claims to be privileged since he has a team of doctors with him who make decisions for him. I’m not sure if having people decide for you is a privilege, but he seems fine with the results.

A lot of intersex people are hurt by the medical establishment. Is he really so self-absorbed as to think that just because he’s happy, then everything’s fine with the world? I’ve known a handful of intersex people who were assigned at birth or early life who transitioned later on, and they certainly didn’t seem happy with having that decision made for them. Is he just ignoring ISNA on this particular point?

Well he has no intention to transition and is more about calling those who do as fakes. He agrees with Barney Frank with ENDA because “transsexuals are sometimes bad in the media and pride parades and prostitution”. In short he’s saying it’s all our fault and that this perverted mediatic image is of our own doing, that we should blame ourselves for not speaking against prostitution and such. Explaining to him that some people have no choice in the matter didn’t make him concede anything.

So he’s just a complete idiot? I mean, it sounds like everything he knows about trans people he made up himself, inspired by bits and pieces picked up from the media.

Yeah, it made me laugh a little when I learned she married 3 times and had 11 children. Then she has the guts to claim she’s more lesbian or knows more about it - even still being married.

I at best claimed to be bi-curious, and I don’t pretend to know more than I do about relationships, or to be more important or better because of my relationships or lack thereof.

“Honestly, has that woman ever been happy in her entire life? Have any of them?”

I don’t consider myself to have been happy, yet I don’t hold such a negative view towards being a woman, towards life. I did keep my close family through transition, so I’m lucky.

He doesn’t claim to have been hurt about being intersex. He claims to be privileged since he has a team of doctors with him who make decisions for him. I’m not sure if having people decide for you is a privilege, but he seems fine with the results.

“Anyway, it seems clear that he’s trying to assert some kind of privilege of intersex over trans, something I’ve seen several intersex people do - like the author of the trans privilege checklist. I like that what he says really comes out as “I really respect trans people who know their place.””

Well he has no intention to transition and is more about calling those who do as fakes. He agrees with Barney Frank with ENDA because “transsexuals are sometimes bad in the media and pride parades and prostitution”. In short he’s saying it’s all our fault and that this perverted mediatic image is of our own doing, that we should blame ourselves for not speaking against prostitution and such. Explaining to him that some people have no choice in the matter didn’t make him concede anything.

even her idea of sanctified, sexless lesbianism is straight out of the Book; “whither thou goest I will go.” just leave the malefolk out of it and apparently that’s “radical.”

Oh well then there you go.

Honestly, you know, I think that’s a big chunk of why the peculiar animosity here: part of their whole schtick is based on the notion that there is no repeat NO reason why anyone would -want- to be a woman in this our patriarchal world. The fact that some people born with male privilege (according to them) WANT to switch over to the Oppressed Class kind of gives the lie to that; better classify them as slumming or insane or something.

it’s so, so fucked up. “We’re the most miserable people that ever miseried, and if you boyos [tm lucky] think you’re going to take that away from us, -you’re crazy!-”

Honestly, has that woman ever been happy in her entire life? Have any of them?