Comments on: An argument against trans-inclusion in the GLBT movement http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/ and other bigotry Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:49:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: wellie http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-715 wellie Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:34:30 +0000 http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-715 shame on big gay sketch show for that mess. i too had to force myself to watch it all the way through. how was that in ANY way humorous? and the fact that the editors/censors let this through as a viable and acceptable piece of comedy says a novel. <i> Not really a consequence of trans inclusion, more a sense of that it’s okay to appropriate trans people like this because we’re part of the acronym. Like, “Hey, since it’s GLBT, if we can make faggot jokes, we can make tranny jokes too!” and then wheel out the most offensive stereotypes possible. </i> exactly. i mean, at this point, i don't even understand why they bother to add the 't' into the acronym... it's insulting. shame on big gay sketch show for that mess. i too had to force myself to watch it all the way through. how was that in ANY way humorous? and the fact that the editors/censors let this through as a viable and acceptable piece of comedy says a novel.
Not really a consequence of trans inclusion, more a sense of that it’s okay to appropriate trans people like this because we’re part of the acronym. Like, “Hey, since it’s GLBT, if we can make faggot jokes, we can make tranny jokes too!” and then wheel out the most offensive stereotypes possible.

exactly. i mean, at this point, i don’t even understand why they bother to add the ‘t’ into the acronym… it’s insulting.

]]> By: Nick Kiddle http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-671 Nick Kiddle Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:23:07 +0000 http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-671 What did they even think was funny in that steaming pile? Is the word "tranny" intrinsically good for a laugh or something? As far as trans inclusion in general goes, I've seen LGB"T" websites where, without exaggeration, the only T about them was in the title. The worst one was divided into one section for gay and bi men and one for lesbians and bi women - I guess at least it told me upfront there wouldn't be anything aimed at trans people. What did they even think was funny in that steaming pile? Is the word “tranny” intrinsically good for a laugh or something?

As far as trans inclusion in general goes, I’ve seen LGB”T” websites where, without exaggeration, the only T about them was in the title. The worst one was divided into one section for gay and bi men and one for lesbians and bi women - I guess at least it told me upfront there wouldn’t be anything aimed at trans people.

]]> By: Lisa Harney http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-666 Lisa Harney Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:24:06 +0000 http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-666 OH MY GOD. Yeah, I heard about RuPaul defending Shirley Q. Liquor. And the white person: "This person of color agrees with me, so his opinion overrides all other people of color!" I hate that. Nezua calls it the <a href="http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/glosario.html#melanin" rel="nofollow">appeal to melanin</a>. OH MY GOD. Yeah, I heard about RuPaul defending Shirley Q. Liquor. And the white person: “This person of color agrees with me, so his opinion overrides all other people of color!” I hate that. Nezua calls it the appeal to melanin.

]]> By: gorgonqueen http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-665 gorgonqueen Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:51:38 +0000 http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-665 I seem to recall that RuPaul made a fairly strong defense of the Shirley Q Liquor character, and have a somewhat vaguer recollection that at least one (white) trans writer took the position of "well, RuPaul is a transperson of color, so hir position overrules our sense of offense." I did not find it convincing. I seem to recall that RuPaul made a fairly strong defense of the Shirley Q Liquor character, and have a somewhat vaguer recollection that at least one (white) trans writer took the position of “well, RuPaul is a transperson of color, so hir position overrules our sense of offense.”

I did not find it convincing.

]]> By: Maudite Entendante http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-654 Maudite Entendante Sun, 09 Dec 2007 04:45:45 +0000 http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-654 Oh, I figured you were probably being sarcastic (at least partly). But I've definitely had fantasies of seceding from The Movement, along the lines of, "Well, if G/L folks don't want to include us [trans folk and allies], we'll pack up our toys and go home." And those fantasies are only strengthened when, as you put it, <i>"I felt like that what little inclusion we have is used to attack us, like in this sketch."</i> My rebuke, such as it was, was directed at BGSS, not at you. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. But yeah, it's days like this I just want to hibernate until The Stupid goes away. :c/ Oh, I figured you were probably being sarcastic (at least partly).

But I’ve definitely had fantasies of seceding from The Movement, along the lines of, “Well, if G/L folks don’t want to include us [trans folk and allies], we’ll pack up our toys and go home.” And those fantasies are only strengthened when, as you put it, “I felt like that what little inclusion we have is used to attack us, like in this sketch.”

My rebuke, such as it was, was directed at BGSS, not at you. Sorry if I wasn’t clear on that. But yeah, it’s days like this I just want to hibernate until The Stupid goes away. :c/

]]> By: Lisa Harney http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-653 Lisa Harney Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:56:03 +0000 http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-653 Not really a consequence of trans <em>inclusion</em>, more a sense of that it's okay to appropriate trans people like this because we're part of the acronym. Like, "Hey, since it's GLBT, if we can make faggot jokes, we can make tranny jokes too!" and then wheel out the most offensive stereotypes possible. My post title was sarcasm, as I do think trans people need to be fully included in GLBT everything. I felt like that what little inclusion we have is used to attack us, like in this sketch. I do think equal inclusion would mean that this stuff (or Gendercator, or whatever) just doesn't happen. Your point about the title is well taken. Not really a consequence of trans inclusion, more a sense of that it’s okay to appropriate trans people like this because we’re part of the acronym. Like, “Hey, since it’s GLBT, if we can make faggot jokes, we can make tranny jokes too!” and then wheel out the most offensive stereotypes possible.

My post title was sarcasm, as I do think trans people need to be fully included in GLBT everything. I felt like that what little inclusion we have is used to attack us, like in this sketch. I do think equal inclusion would mean that this stuff (or Gendercator, or whatever) just doesn’t happen.

Your point about the title is well taken.

]]> By: Maudite Entendante http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-652 Maudite Entendante Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:44:11 +0000 http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-652 Oh, how many different layers of <i>wrong</i> is this? Though I don't think this is exactly a consequence of trans inclusion ... unless minstrel shows are the argument against the inclusion of African-Americans in Reconstruction-era America, and the Hasty Pudding Theatricals are an example of what happens when you include women in the Ivy old boys' network. (Which is to say, if trans people <i>were</i> included on an equal footing in the queer movement-slash-Big Gay Sketch Show, someone would probably have stopped this before it happened.) Oh, how many different layers of wrong is this? Though I don’t think this is exactly a consequence of trans inclusion … unless minstrel shows are the argument against the inclusion of African-Americans in Reconstruction-era America, and the Hasty Pudding Theatricals are an example of what happens when you include women in the Ivy old boys’ network.

(Which is to say, if trans people were included on an equal footing in the queer movement-slash-Big Gay Sketch Show, someone would probably have stopped this before it happened.)

]]> By: nix http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-649 nix Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:03:58 +0000 http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-649 o_______________O uh. what. o_______________O

uh.

what.

]]> By: Lisa Harney http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-644 Lisa Harney Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:22:47 +0000 http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-644 Right, I totally should have <em>said</em> that, too. I mean, holy fuck, it's just Shirley Q. Liquor all over again, which is why I linked stuff about him in the first place. Have I said this pisses me off? Right, I totally should have said that, too. I mean, holy fuck, it’s just Shirley Q. Liquor all over again, which is why I linked stuff about him in the first place.

Have I said this pisses me off?

]]> By: Trin http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-643 Trin Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:14:09 +0000 http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/an-argument-against-trans-inclusion-in-the-glbt-movement/#comment-643 cis white men in woc trannyface, even. I'd ask Ma to smite them but She's probably a step ahead of me... cis white men in woc trannyface, even.

I’d ask Ma to smite them but She’s probably a step ahead of me…

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